frame: GT avalanche 2
fork: suntour XCR
headset: tange seiki
handle bar: ABR risen oversized
stem: truvativ TR oversized
grip: WTB speed V
seatpost: ABR
seatclamp: HOPE
saddles: WTB
front D: shimano alivio
rear D: shimano deore
chain: shimano 8spd
casatte: shimano
crankset: truvativ
BB: truvativ
pedals: shimano PD-M535
shifter&brake lever: shimano
brake: tektro aquila (disc)
rim: sun rim
hub: shimano
tyres: kenda 2.1"



is the spec gd enuff?
do u tin it need any further upgrade?

remember John from Holland? :)

y upgrade seat clamp before anything else?

ya.. i not intending to upgrade my fork yet.

not only the seat clamp
the handle bar, stem, rim, seat post and grip oso got upgrade
just tt the brand not so gd la..

My 2 cents, I am just a newbie who got bitten by the upgrading bug so take what I posted with a heavy pinch of salt.

You are willing to pay for a Hope seat clamp probably means that you may want to upgrade ur bike to the max right?

So forget about mid end stuff, go straight to high end to save urself the money of upgrading in future, pain 1 time.

Take ur time to decide what kind of bike u wanna build. U want light or strong?
I changed my wheelset to Hadleys hub with 717 rims when I was riding hardtail, I wanted a light bike, but after I changed to a full sus frame, 140mm Talas, it seems to me that 717 is pretty weak for my setup so now looking at stronger rims (waste money here). Was using a flat bar for my hardtail again for weight and a more racy geometry., but now looking for a riser for more comfort. Luckily I din buy a Reba or SID at that time, if not i would have wasted even more money.
Same goes for other parts.

I think drive train should be pretty universal, so change to XTR or x0 (see u like jepun or ang mor)

If u want to change, I suggest u change ur drive train, then slowly decide what u want to do with the bike. It's Light or strong, u decide.


Another solution is to buy allen_walker kopi, he give good, practical advise. I take him and 'bai' one.


Pls feel free to correct me if i am wrong

hi.. thanks.
some of the things i post, i have nt upgrade.
but planning to
the rim, grip, seat post and seat clamp have not upgrade
i tink i just need a bike tt can perform well
dun nd high-end parts i have limited budget
mayb the hope seat clamp, i'll change to other brand which is not so ex
any recommandation?
looking for grip too. i want a lock on grip

i see a history repeating. :rolleyes:
i said it before.. i shall say it again.
it's a thin line between upgrading blindly & know what is performance part.

:yawn: well. guess that many will have to learn the hard way.

:lol2:

"that's always the usual misconception. u meant we need to have a 300km/hr highway to own a Ferrari or Lambo?

it's what you wanna do with the bike... not what you can do with the bike."

This quote familiar?

Joel. both are not related. don't try.
wanna see what i can do with my bike or do u wanna see what i wanna do with my bike? :rolleyes:

nvm

My point is you don't need to be a model to wear armani

What am I trying? And why are they not related?

Hi Joel,

care to explain how they are related ? Can't get you.

Anyways :offtopic:

Let's ride.

exactly Joel, what are u trying to tell us & how are my quotes related?

let me bring u closer to the quotes for easier reading.

quote 1:
it's a thin line between upgrading blindly & know what is performance part.

quote 2:
that's always the usual misconception. u meant we need to have a 300km/hr highway to own a Ferrari or Lambo?
it's what you wanna do with the bike... not what you can do with the bike.

quote 1:
it's a thin line between upgrading blindly & know what is performance part.

quote 2:
that's always the usual misconception. u meant we need to have a 300km/hr highway to own a Ferrari or Lambo?
it's what you wanna do with the bike... not what you can do with the bike.


See ar, sometimes to play bicycle, u dont necessary need to get the best performance vs price. Why do ppl go for full XTR/premium parts when LX or even deore is more than good enuff for their use? Why do ppl get a ferarri/lambo when a normal car would get u from point A to point B?

So when u see a ferarri or a fully modded evo on the street, there are few types of ppl, one type would look at it and admire (ppl who ride normal bike, but like and aspire nice nice bike), the other type would say the fella stupid to buy such an expensive car for singapore use. (the type who ride a basic bike that serves the purpose, no bling factor). There is another type of ppl who see a nice car on the street, then condamn the car and the driver, but in actual fact they would want a nice car if they got the money or they dont want ppl driving better car than them.

There are 2 kinds of ppl, ppl who ride bicycle and ppl who play bicycle.

See those ang mor magazine, they do everything with stock bike. And why do alot of ppl upgrade? I am sure alot of ppl understand the saying, it's not the bike, it's the rider.

I cannot ride to save my life, but like most of the ppl, I want to see my bike nice nice.

Dunno how to ride one dont have the right to to ride XTR?
Not race driver dont have the right to see nice car?
Is that what u are trying to tell ppl?

For me, I upgrade blindly, why? Cuz I still dunno what I like and I am still trying out and still paying tution fees (by spending unnecessary money). But I enjoy, cuz i like to play bicycle as much as i like to ride.

Just telling the threadstarter if he got limited budget and want to play bicycle, upgrade those universal parts first. Decide first then upgrade things like frame, rims blah blah blah.

anyway, if I sound offensive, I am being straight to the point. cheers.

Bike is not car. i'm sorry. i don't get this at all. :unsure:

You definitely sounds okie but yes, like alot out there, they dunno what they want & thus upgrading blindly. :cheers:

Good discussion!!

QUOTE
See ar, sometimes to play bicycle, u dont necessary need to get the best performance vs price. Why do ppl go for full XTR/premium parts when LX or even deore is more than good enuff for their use? Why do ppl get a ferarri/lambo when a normal car would get u from point A to point B?


let me clarify this point. Deore is definitely not on par with XTR due the material used for making the parts. Taking Deore rear d as an example, it is sufficient for recreational ride. XTR rd is made up of lighter alloy & giving shorter & faster stroke in shifting. XT R & R means racing.

-> Although deore is not on par with XTR, but deore still can chiong off road, and do most stuff that XTR can do. I dont think most of the ppl who use XTR go race. I even go offroad with Tourney, As a newbie, I find it ok wud. And I think if comparing durability, I think deore or even alivio or altus is stronger than high end stuff like x0.


QUOTE
So when u see a ferarri or a fully modded evo on the street, there are few types of ppl, one type would look at it and admire (ppl who ride normal bike, but like and aspire nice nice bike), the other type would say the fella stupid to buy such an expensive car for singapore use. (the type who ride a basic bike that serves the purpose, no bling factor). There is another type of ppl who see a nice car on the street, then condamn the car and the driver, but in actual fact they would want a nice car if they got the money or they dont want ppl driving better car than them.


Bike is not car. i'm sorry. i don't get this at all.

--> I think I made myself quite clear, please read over again and try to get it


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There are 2 kinds of ppl, ppl who ride bicycle and ppl who play bicycle.


1st time i'm hearing this. mind telling me how & where did you derive this from? Or do you meant poser & those who actually ride?

--> If u want to put it this way......Yes. I admit I am a poser, but I pose for myself, I buy stuff, i make my bike nice nice is for me to see, for me to feel shiok.





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See those ang mor magazine, they do everything with stock bike. And why do alot of ppl upgrade? I am sure alot of ppl understand the saying, it's not the bike, it's the rider.


Try to understand, there are also 2 types of bikes.. 1 stock & equipped with recreational components just as alivio, deore.
another batch is equipped with race ready component. & your so call ferarri or a fully modded evo on the street.


--> Doesn't mean stock with low end parts cannot chiong, or high end stuff definately can chiong right?

I remember when I was buying my first bike that time, was asking for advise here. Somebody suggested a 8 speed bike, end up getting a 9 speed. And I do not really ride with all 9 speed most of the time. It's the feeling of buying something lower end than what u have in ur mind, buy already, also got no satisfaction


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I cannot ride to save my life, but like most of the ppl, I want to see my bike nice nice.


ride to save life? superhero u meant? BatMobile? sorry i don't quite get you once again.



-->Figure of speech, go google on that phrase


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Dunno how to ride one dont have the right to to ride XTR?
Not race driver dont have the right to see nice car?
Is that what u are trying to tell ppl?


This is what doesn't sound very nice to me. i'm not stopping anyone from upgrading. but if you are going to spend a ton doing so, why not in the 1st place save up for a race ready & high equipped bike? Thread starter is a young fella. We have been in the scene long enough to advise him/her. He/She can choose to heed or walk the other way.

--> That's what forums is all about right? U share ur opinion, I share mine.

Get a high end bike, pain 1 time, also shiok 1 time. What if the factory setup not correct? Stem too long, geometry dont feel right, alot of things are very personal.

Slowly upgrade, dont feel so pain, every component u change, shiok 1 time. Learn 1 more thing. Got money, get new, if not get second hand. Buy wrong part, sell or trade lor, personally I quite enjoy this kind of thing. Get intimate your own bike. Make it YOUR OWN setup, not some mass produced factory setup.





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For me, I upgrade blindly, why? Cuz I still dunno what I like and I am still trying out and still paying tution fees (by spending unnecessary money). But I enjoy, cuz i like to play bicycle as much as i like to ride.


nobody is saying you are upgrading it blindly but since you admit it. alrite then. we will take it.


--> I admit, that I am upgrading like a headless chicken, cuz i myself also dunno what i want. But I am having fun experimenting, playing with stuff.


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Just telling the threadstarter if he got limited budget and want to play bicycle, upgrade those universal parts first. Decide first then upgrade things like frame, rims blah blah blah.


i would advise the threadstarter to ride the bike 1st, get comfortable, improve on your riding & think it you wanna progress to racing level etc before wasting more money.

--> That one I agree with u, that's what everybody has been telling me....but sometimes the itch comes.... heheh


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anyway, if I sound offensive, I am being straight to the point. cheers.


You definitely sounds okie but yes, like alot out there, they dunno what they want & thus upgrading blindly.


I don't actually quite agree to this term as upgrading blindly. There is a reason to do anything. Sometimes valid, sometimes not valid. Sometimes ppl agree to the reason sometimes people dont see the reason. And it's the person doing it would know the reason....

1 question joel, how long have you been riding? & yes, officially when u started with kona or hasa. :rolleyes:

Hasa. But I consider the Kona my real bike.

I ride for 1/2 year only, does that mean I cannot have my own opinion?

By the way, Happy Birthday Ivantcs

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

thanks. :)

i agree that deore can do almost as well as XTR
XTR may be lighter but not is a little diff only
if the rider cant even go fast with that 10+ or 100+ gram then is the rider have prob
but for the price, i tink many ppl who buy XTR is for the name and i tink many of them are not pro
and doesnt mean a pro must have hi-end parts on bike

i know its not advisable to upgrade blindly
as in just upgrade without trying
but i tink things like seatpost and seatclamp wont make u feel anytin
i also want a nice nice bike
but dun wan hi-end
cos i cant feel much diff btw hi-end and low-end
i used alivio last time also, shift quite well but my brandless dee also can do as well
i don't want stock parts on the bike tt's why i changed it

i only tink tat some parts like wheelset & frame is impt
things like handle bar, stem dun really need to be frm a very gd brand as long as its strong enuff for what u use it for
things like tim then must get gd one so that wont spoil so easily since its constantly rotating

just wat i tink la.. :towelcheer:

XTR may be lighter but is a little diff only

I think u know what u want already.....

So, what b'day present u got for urself?

lol.. nv buy anytin for myself..

Joel joel joel,

u over-reacted a couple of times already. have fun riding. :rolleyes:
join me for ride sometime.

cannot leh, waiting for my hand to heal, probably another month or 2 before can go offroad. sien, everyday touch bike, but cannot ride

Well, take it easy for a while. The rest will do you good

hi guys, just asking, is it worth to upgrade to good parts on a ava 2.0 ?
I too using 2.0 was thinking to get new bike or upgrade my 2.0, can a 2.0 last with u for a long time ?

GT avalanche is not entry level bike in my opinion. :rolleyes:
but if u r happy with it... why not? :lol:

i think if you don't really need a very gd bike then gd enuff.
some parts like shit then change lor.. i oso using ava 2.0
if no budget and wan a beta one then get new one.

my opinion:

savee moneyy till somethin breaks.. then at least you can get like the best replacement when it does break..

I say upgrade your fork and wheels. Most performance enhancing.

Chain/chain-rings/cassettes are consumables. So don't change it on purpose.

Cranks doesn't affect performance too much so don't be a hurry to change, plus cranks may not fit ALL frames, much more thought is neeeded for this purchase.

Rear derailers are dies quite fast, change only when expired. Front derailers do not offer much weight change or performance increase. And it doesn't have a universal fit.

Bars/stem should be changed if comfort on bike is compromised. If the setting is "perfect", source out for lighter alternatives that retains the settings.

Same goes with the saddle.

Tires maybe consumables but they offer the most weight saving per dollar and a big performance increase for the least of prices.

There you have it.

i oso using ava 2.
the 07 one wif disc
i changed bar to oversized n stem to shorter one
saddles to a more comfortable one
the original WTB saddles very pain
the brake cable cos the bike shop say will affect brake
then headset, seat post and seat clamp goin to change
changin grip to lock-on soon cos the grip always like very lose
last will be wheelset or oni hub n spokes
tire is quite gd to me and all the drivetrain hav almost no prob
and fork is already quite gd
although brand is suntour
but it's as gd or beta than rockshox dart
tt's wat some ppl say too. :towelcheer: